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Re: 3/4 Ton Database and Helpful Links

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Hi in the forum!

I just received the build card for my WC 52, VIN 816 43936 which is already in your database. I understand from that build card, that the engine and body have been replaced by others. Unfortunately not all the data on the card are well readible. However, all the information from Chrysler is of great help.
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geez, I hate being right all the time! :mrgreen:
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Re: 3/4 Ton Database and Helpful Links

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Hola Heinz,

Thanks for your B.C.

Have a Dodge WC-52 was delivered to the Army on May 12, 1943.

In the upper are not numbers, but thanks to the holes can deduce the following:
SCHED.NO: 26106
SALES O.NO: 98915
SPEC.O.NO: 42614
CAPACITY: 5
CHASSIS MODEL: 214
BODY MODEL: 66

In my study, your Dodge is WC-52 because in 1943 this model was manufactured under:

Sales o.no 98915 and Spec.o.no 42614.

The body model 66 It is identical for 51 and 52.

It is curious that the Dodge, was rebuilt with a box with a more modern and older engines.

Congratulations and thank you very much, Juan15
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Re: 3/4 Ton Database and Helpful Links

Post by koen43 »

Juan
Can you explane me all the details of my BC?

It is the WC 60
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Re: 3/4 Ton Database and Helpful Links

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Hola Rob,

First, my generation was educated with French as a second language, so my English is very basic. Sorry.

Secondly, I have begun to study the Buil Car and I have not done and also I have to say, I'm not 100% sure of my conclusions.

So Rob, you can tell me: How bad ... But, but, if anything can you draw conclusions, if anything can help and some of the other side of this forum can help us, because then it would be perfect. O.K.?.

I'm busy right now, I am preparing a national meeting Spain Willys Jeep Club, where we also Dodges.

Therefore, I ask a little patience, I'll put my studio slowly.

I will put B.C. in three languages​​, English, French and Spanish. They are´nt all translated words and it is even possible that some are mistranslated.

Will continue.

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In a B.C., one thing that left me worried. Failure to distinguish between a vehicle with winch or without him.

In the center, top, slightly to the right, is the model of the body and there are two numbers:
for example, 90 for the WC-60, 39 for the WC-54, 49 for the WC-53, etc, etc...

But 66 is for WC-51 and 52, but 19 is for WC-56 and 57, there was no distinction between winch or not.

Do not enter my head that a B.C. could not distinguish between one model or another.

Three planes, made ​​by Chrysler in March 1942, below you can see wc-52 is 4266, WC-54 is 4239 and WC-57 is 4219 .

Unfortunately I have no more plans.

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If you look in the upper right, there is a notation: SEO: 41812-16 and the second drawing is: SEO: 41813-17.

Return later on these annotations.

Thanks to Silvya Benub, Florence, I studied the BC she has command-car.com and other dodges forums.

I made a list of data sets in BC and I got some matches.

Will continue

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I put pictures of the BC, but again, there are words that are not translated, because I do not know and may have a word mistranslated. This in regard to the B.C.,in Spanish.

I put pictures of B.C. in French, which I copied a few months in a French forum, dodgewc.frbb.net, the problem is that I have not the name of the person who made the translation, if I find out, I'll say.

And I put in English, which I copied from Silvia, Florence.

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I have a little imagination and little knowledge, so I thought it best to translate into my language and so, little by little, to understand things. I encourage those who are not fluent in English translated to your language.

There are many B.C. are the fuzzy numbers, so I studied how I could figure it out and I realized that the black circles (holes) are in a very simple key is the following:

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I will continue, Juan15

I continue.

I made a table with data B.C. Year by Year

All B.C. I have seen, such as the forum Silvya and French.

The results are as follows:

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I repeat, that this study is not 100% sure.

We need more BC, we need more planes and little by little drawing conclusions in order to interpret the BC.

In 1942, if the B.C. put in SPEC.O.NO., 41812 or 41816 number will be a WC-52, according to the plan that we have seen above.

If you put 41,818 will be a WC-56
If you put 41,819 will be a wc-57

Right?. Lie?. I do not know. It's my job, it's my first step

At Chrysler do not know how to read the B.C.

I'm going to contact Chrysler to see if they have plans for the different models and each year or in each variation. If any of you live near Chrysler could visit them and ask. I will pay the expenses. If not, I come in contact with them.

Now everyone has to study the B.C.. You have to read what each thing and to understand.

I have made a larger list with the data I've been picking a site and another, and I will later.

As interesting facts:

Wc-51 series ... wc-64KD, begins at 815 29001 chassis number.

The first 5380 Dodges were manufactured wc-55 model. 815 29001 ... 815 34380.

I will continue, Juan15

Now Rob, we will try to read your B.C. 816 13484

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The chassis number is 81613484. Receipt by the army: 25 Feb 1943. Motor nª T-214-94230.

Body Model: 90...WC-60.
Sched. nº 843
Sales O.Nº 98921
Spec.O.Nº 42620
Capacity 5
Chassis Model 214
Wheel Base 121
Axle Ratio 5,8
Wheels 1
Ship MA 4

The car has:
1 F. Shocks
1 R. Shocks

1 Aux. Wiper

1 Transm´n
1 Tow Hooks

Rear Door Key Nº 700

I do not know what Date Shipped
Trac. Ro is 6. I do not know what it is. In general here are only three numbers, 6, 7 or 8.

Maybe Rob, I was disappointed the BC, do not know.

As I have said before, we need more BC, more planes of different models and years. We need more information so that the conclusions are correct. We need people who want to collaborate.

Little by little we will be getting, I'm sure.

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Re: 3/4 Ton Database and Helpful Links

Post by koen43 »

Hi Juan,

Thanxs for reading the BC

The chassis number is 81613484. That is on the chassis, correct
Receipt by the army: 25 Feb 1943. That is on the data plate, correct
Motor nª T-214-94230. That is on the engine, correct

Body Model: 90...WC-60. That is on the body tag, correct
Sched. nº 843 What is this?
Sales O.Nº 98921 What is this?
Spec.O.Nº 42620 What is this
Capacity 5 That is, I think the total crew
Chassis Model 214 Correct
Wheel Base 121 Correct
Axle Ratio 5,8 Correct
Wheels 1 Spare wheel?
Ship MA 4 What is this?

The car has:
1 F. Shocks Where?
1 R. Shocks Where?

1 Aux. Wiper What is this? Window wiper?

1 Transm´n Correct
1 Tow Hooks A WC 60 has no electric trailer connection or is this something else?

Rear Door Key Nº 700 What is this?
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Re: 3/4 Ton Database and Helpful Links

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Ja, ja, ja...

Rob, Rob, Rob ...

As one English, This is the question

Let's go step by step:
1.- SCHED. NO: I think it's an internal number of Dodge. The number of inventory. The number that gave the car to its internal control. Each vehicle has a different number. We must take into account the year. The number can be repeated, but never in the same year. I think if there was a claim, they had to find the workbook, which were the characteristics of that vehicle. Here we have what is now called traceability.

2.-SALES.O.NO: I think each model had an internal sales order. For example: WC-55 was the sales order number 81150. WC-54 model, had the sales order No. 85287. But beware, in the year 1942. The following year, 1943, WC-54 model went on to have the sales order No. 42618, etc, etc.

I believe that the different orders that the army happened to them, Dodge included them in a single order of sale for each model in each year.

If I have reason. here's a first step to know the model of WC.
WC-56 has the sale order No. 85289, year 1942
WC-57 has the sale order No. 85288, 1942.

Here, too, the importance of being able to see more and more BC, to confirm my theory.

3.-SPEC.O.N0: A company has plans for a model, a set of parts. In addition, the Company must have the full report of this set, all the pieces in a set,THE MEMORY.

As shown in the drawings (above). In the WC-52 model leaves the Spec..O.: 41812-41816.
In the WC-54 model leaves the Spec.O.: 41813-41817.

In the two B.C. that I have of 1942, in WC-54 model comes out SPEC.O.NO: 41817.

This makes me think it is number of MEMORY WC-54, or what you call the model in question. Is to say the specifications of the Order No.

This MEMORY for each model, changes every year. Perhaps change only by the change of year, do not know. Maybe change the memory to change some parts, as it were, do not know.

4.-CAPACITY: Rob, you say: 5 the total crew. I do not know. Why?.

In all the B.C. I have seen, appears in all, 5, but we are talking about different models with different number of persons, crews.

I've only seen one B.C. Model WC-62 or 63 and this makes, 6.

B.C. 82037574, 12 set 1944, body model 96, wc-62 or 63.

What is the difference between wc-62/63 and the rest?. Number of wheels?. No, because they have 6 + 1 = 7 ...... 4 + 1 = 5.
At first it is not the number of people. What is it? ... I do not know.

But, but, Juan... what you know... Rob, I know nothing. :(

5.-Whels and Ship MA: 1 and 4. I thought it was the number of tires. 4 fitted and 1 spare, but not, in the 62/63 the same, 1 and 4. :mrgreen:

Well Rob, we believe that the B.C. is the plane of the treasure, but it is not.

The B.C. is important, very important. Date of delivery to the Army, which is different from the date of manufacture. It gives other information, some of them already know what they mean, others must wait to confirm, when we analyze or more planes or more BC and others do not know what it means.

Therefore we must continue working, a question that will, at least I.

Thanks and Rob please ... do not ask any more questions, because I wear red :oops: ja, ja, ja.........

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Re: 3/4 Ton Database and Helpful Links

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Juan,

Thanks for the explaning

and Merry Christmas
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Build card: # 815 33 270, built 21 JUL 1942, original engine # T214 25 617 (I never saw this engine),
I bought the truck with engine # T 214 68 314 (still in there)

What´s the registration number then?
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Re: 3/4 Ton Database and Helpful Links

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Hola Erwin,

During the life of Dodge have broken some things, perhaps in the war, maybe later. The number of engine left the factory is the number you put in your BC, but later broke down or perhaps decided to replace it in better shape. It is very difficult to meet today with the original parts that came from the factory.

The registration number I have answered you in this forum.

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The frame number on my WC63 is a puzzle to me. I've looked very closely and there appears to be a gap between the first and second (third?) digits with nothing discernible in that area at all.

The number is as follows:- 8 027687

I purchased the truck in the UK many years ago and have no knowledge of its prior history. The cargo body did not match the truck as it is the late timber composite with the short L/H box while the truck had the short running board under the spare wheel. The engine had no number at all and has now been replaced with a T223 sourced locally as it had a knock in it anyway. There was a number on the bonnet but I don't imagine it is relevant to anything as everything seems to have been messed with during an attempted restoration.

Any idea what digit is missing from the frame number? I assume there should be no gap.

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motto wrote:The frame number on my WC63 is a puzzle to me. I've looked very closely and there appears to be a gap between the first and second (third?) digits with nothing discernible in that area at all.

The number is as follows:- 8 027687

I purchased the truck in the UK many years ago and have no knowledge of its prior history. The cargo body did not match the truck as it is the late timber composite with the short L/H box while the truck had the short running board under the spare wheel. The engine had no number at all and has now been replaced with a T223 sourced locally as it had a knock in it anyway. There was a number on the bonnet but I don't imagine it is relevant to anything as everything seems to have been messed with during an attempted restoration.

Any idea what digit is missing from the frame number? I assume there should be no gap.

David
Hello, the second digit for all 6x6 dodges was "2" and the registration should be around 3338500
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Thanks Rocks. I wasn't certain there wasn't another list somewhere with numbers on it like mine. Possibly made up of trucks built for the Betelgeuse Light Opera Company or some such obscure organisation. I worry about such things.

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Hi Rocks.

The number on the side of the bonnet which I had dismissed as it is an obvious re-paint is not that far from the one you suggested. Perhaps it is the correct number. It reads as follows:- W 3335272-S

The numerals are four inches high and are partially above and below the fold line for the side panel.

In addition there is a tag on the firewall that appears to be original and it has the number 4270-27820

Do these numbers tally up?

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motto wrote:Hi Rocks.

The number on the side of the bonnet which I had dismissed as it is an obvious re-paint is not that far from the one you suggested. Perhaps it is the correct number. It reads as follows:- W 3335272-S

The numerals are four inches high and are partially above and below the fold line for the side panel.

In addition there is a tag on the firewall that appears to be original and it has the number 4270-27820

Do these numbers tally up?

David
Looks like good info to me!
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