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Scared CCKW

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My CCKW has been humming to the tune of "Crazy" lately, the fear mongers are again floating rumors of legislation to take away our "HMV." Who cponed the expression "HMV"?
I have a better suggestion, why not cut off everybody's trigger finger so that we can't shoot each other.
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HISTORIC HISTORIC HISTORIC

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While I cannot take the credit for starting the "MV to "HMV" changover, I have definitely made it an editorial requirement in Supply Line Magazine. I think it is more psychological than anything else, and is designed to help educate poeple about our military vehicles -- calling them historic just helps the average joe on the street understand that we are all about preserving history. Our vehicles are historical in nature, and in order to keep our hobby alive, any "spin" to the positive is great. Taking away a "historical" vehicle is harder than taking away a military vehicle.
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Thanks, thats one piece of the puzzle, but the hype about taking away vehicles is not healthy, it creates more negatives than plusses.
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RANGER:

The politico's had just tried that here in Illinoisssssss earlier this year. They had added a section into a gun control law they were trying to push thru. Fortunately, it didn't pass, this time. They also wanted to make it where any MV built after 1972 would have to be marked with an bright colored mark stating it was a POV and non military, and could not be covered under penatly of a stiff fine. They said this was so the bad guys couldn't use MV's in terrorist activities. :evil:

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Owning an MV is a two way street, and the collectors should project a positive image to prevent negative public sentiment and opinion in this respect.

There are some events that paint the wrong picture and bring negative attention to the hobby in these post 9-11 days.

The following are some compressed excerpts from a post by a collector returning from a rally dated Wednesday August 2, 2006;

"The following little adventure is a testimonial to the authenticity of Mr. xxxxxxxx's replicas."

Saturday, July 29 6:30PM

"I noticed a Police car coming towards me". I glance in my rearview-----Holy CRAP" "Oh boy whats wrong, not speeding, seat belt on, I keep looking in the rear view, yea he's back there, just following, I guess" "About 5 miles later, on comes the blues from not one,but 2 cop cars their sirens wail, oh CRAP now what." 'I pull over, reach for the license,--I look in the rear view and I see 2 cops--hands on their guns--Oh boy this can't be good."--"Excuse me sir, but we've had some calls on the .50 cal on the military vehicle."

Draw your conclusion on public image and a motive for the bureaucrats to snuff out privately owned military vehicles.
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Hi RANGER:

So I guess it was a good thing I didn't open up with the 50 when we did a parade in downtown Chicago. I was soooooo tempted as we went past the stand with Hizhonor and the rest of the politico's. BTW, it was a simulated 50 (propane). :twisted:

Ya know, I'm probably gonna jinx myself now, but anytime I had any police attention, it was all positive, even when I didn't have plates or anything. Questions like that NEVER even came up. It was mostly "Man, is that F'n NEAT, can ya pop the hood? Can I climb aboard?" Stuff like that, and before ya knew it, there was a dozen or so coppers crawlin all over the place, havin a ball. :lol:

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Law enforcement and HMVs

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Ugg and Ranger: It is interesting that I have also never had anything but a positive response from law enforcement both in this country and in Europe. When police see me in my HMV, it is almost like I have the ability to say, "let them pass - these are not the droids you seek." Does owning an HMV give the owner the ability to use "Jedi mind tricks" on law enforcement? I don't know -- they seem to get mesmerized by all of the OD and let us get away with stuff that NO ONE else could do.

Do they confuse us with current day military activities? Is this why Illinois was considering identifying HMVs after 1972 to be identified prominently? Has anyone ever sold their HMV to a terrorist? Would you be suspect if you were approached by a foreign national whose only interest in your HMV was its load carrying capacity and voltage?

Rules to keep law enforcement offa your back and avoid endangering our hobby in the public:

Rule #1: Never, ever display weapons if you are out for a drive as an individual -- only in groups and only with a purpose, i.e. heading toward an event or parade, doing a convoy, etc. Do not "man the guns" and point them at people should go without saying. The guy who had a resin .50 cal on his HUMMV parked in the host motel at the Alameda Convention in got alot of attention from the Coast Guard/Homeland security suits and badges -- California may be one of the worst on display weapons as it seems to have its fair share of anti-gun types and nutcases combined, whereas Little Rock may be very receptive to firing AT blanks from a 37mm cannon down Main Street during the MVPA convention next summer for all I know. Choose what you do and where you do it very carefully.

Rule #2: Obey all moving traffic laws.

Rule #3: You can break virtually all parking laws and ordinances if you act like you know what you are doing and act like you are supposed to be there. (see Jedi mind tricks above)

Rule #4. Always have your HMV registered for public roads and have the plates at least onboard and available. I have never placed my plates on my HMVs, but they are always with me. I've showed them once.

Rule #5: Be respectful of law enforcement and encourage them to be interested in your HMV.

Rule #6: Be judicious with the use of sirens and WLA escorts. Police assume the MP brassard means the WLA rider knows what he is doing, as do civilians. Do not overdo the military police stuff, as it could really cause problems with law enforcement and you -- especially if you cause an accident or bodily harm to someone as the result of your actions.

Pretty common sense rules, huh? Feel free to add more. Maybe we'll run them in Supply Line in the future.

Examples:

1. Parked 2 CCKWs in front of the Bayeux Cathedral in France for several hours in a "park here and you will be shot" zone. There was no other place to park for like, 23 miles. Gendarmes were attracted to the vehicles and posed for pictures. We left the vehicles unattended to tour the cathedral and have lunch nearby. Attracted civilians and provided a mini show for them. So OK, you think just because Bayeux is in Normandy and seven miles from Omaha Beach this is a normal activity for the town? May be, but I doubt it. The Voie de Liberte tour across France, Lux, and Belgium repeated this process many times.

2. Parked 9 HMVs in the French Quarter for 90 minutes while we ate lunch after the D-Day Musuem parade. Parked in double-no standing/parking zones, squad car around the corner. Police were cordial, oogled the vehicles, didn't have a problem with us clogging up a narrow street in the quarter, even though the beer trucks could barely get by us. Tourists loved the vehicles. We posed for photos, etc etc etc

3. Have attended several parades downtown in the tall buildings zone. Parked where we could in groups always in no parking zones. Never a problem with law enforcement as we weren't idiots, i.e. shooting blanks or propane weapons. (Ugg, I know you didn't really seriously think about opening up your .50 gas gun -- would have been fun, but you would be posting on this site from a prison library computer on an infrequent basis if you had, and the rest of us would be very, very unhappy that you but the ka-bosh on HMVs in public events in Chicago)

Be careful out there, and don't screw it up for the rest of us!

And no, just because you think your jeep can easily climb the long steps up to the entrance of the state capitol building, and just because they did it for war bond drives in WWII, this is one reenactment you will most likely regret, despite the fact you will make the front page of the daily. But it is fun to think about.........

Disclaimer: this post is intended to be tongue-in-cheek and humorous in nature, with some serious ideas about HMV driving behavior. Please take it as such.
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>Owning an MV is a two way street, and the collectors should project a >positive image to prevent negative public sentiment and opinion in this >respect.

>There are some events that paint the wrong picture and bring negative >attention to the hobby in these post 9-11 days.

How about the guy up in Maine bragging about how while driving his CCKW in a parade, gave the finger to his former commanding officer who was on the reviewing stand!

Talk about projecting a positive image.....
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Post by Dr Deuce »

>Owning an MV is a two way street, and the collectors should project a >positive image to prevent negative public sentiment and opinion in this >respect.

>There are some events that paint the wrong picture and bring negative >attention to the hobby in these post 9-11 days.

How about the guy up in Maine bragging about how while driving his CCKW in a parade, gave the finger to his former commanding officer who was on the reviewing stand!

Talk about projecting a positive image.....
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Hi Doc
Just for the record , I'm from Maine and it was not me :oops:

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I have inside information that it would happen again if the situation arose. It was done in a most discreet manner that only the recipient could view. The person finally received his due recompence, and was removed from command. Payback is grand.
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Hawk:

:lol: Had I done that, I seriously doubt I'd be posting from anywhere. This was Chicago remember. Shoot 1st, ask questions later, worry about law suits even later. :lol: It always amazes me how people will get mouthy to cops. Growing up in pre-Miranda Chicago, I learned early that getting mouthy to a cop was a lose lose situation. I will state this publicly, that of all the law enforcement types I have met, both professionally and privately, the Chciago cop seems to be the easiest to get along with (if your nice), and has the greatest sense of humor. Nowhere else in the world have I been stopped at 3AM, by a cop wearing a Lone Ranger mask, no name tag, and instead of Mace, carried a can of Silly String, and used it. :lol:

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PS: Ya still can't get arrested for your thoughts, yet. :wink:
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I am sure that the Admin if he looked at the hit log on this site would have 2 hits a month from a XXXX.eop viewer. That is the CIA checking up on us. The first is a key word search the second is a actual human looking in to see if we are going to do something bad.
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