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divingrocks wrote: So take your pick of
732337 (under range)
734496 (within range)
or the first number I SWAGGED based on imperical data...(within range too)

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Professor Vista,
It appears that you are unable or unwilling to recognize an important acronym when you see one...

SWAGged = Scientific Wild-Assed Guess (adverbijekated usage...e.g. T-I-double gerr...) :mrgreen:

Pissed-out-of-your-mind wandering the desert, mis-identifying things again? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Oh, an acronym. :)

Yes, but what about that other big word you used. I hate to seem pedantic (really), but people whose first language is something other than English are reading this and we should always strive to do our best.

I could be wrong but I think you mean Empirical (gaining knowledge through observation/experience)... :wink: :)
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Vista,
I'm afraid I realised to remember which side of the pond you are on...Imperical, Empiracle, Miracle... :roll:
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Yes...I tend to forget sometimes which side of the pond I'm on but all is well as long as I'm on the same side as you. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Ay mate! Just 'cause some of us with 'inglish as oor fust langauge have problems now neeed to git funny a'bart it! :D

One way or another we all speack Dodge so information gets through (Now we just need to train our American cousins to spell Colour and Tyre properly), the front bit is the BONNET not the Hood , that's some thing that goes over your head, and when it comes to the cultural diffrence between bum bags and fanny bags, that is a whole new nightmare. In UK English slang a ciggarete is known as a fag. Try walking into a room of American girls and announcing you want a fag? Culture who'd have it. :thumbdown:
Actually Katy has always had the hood number 71200 , that was the remains found when Carol first restored her, so not that far out.
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First: I always apologize for my English. I have not been educated in English, I have been educated in Spanish and French.
Second: I will talk about the Dodge car, Dodge only.

We will analyze in detail what happened to manufacturing.
30,241 units were ordered. Everything indicates that 26,002 units were manufactured wc-54.
26,002 units were accepted by the army.

Orders, units and reg.nº were the following:
W-398-QM-11420...W-374-ORD-2746: 850 units. W-77841 to W-78690
W-398-QM-11422...W-374-ORD-2741: 1.309 units. W-78691 to W-79999
W-398-QM-11422...W-374-ORD-2741: 8.636 units. W-710000 to W-718635
W-398-QM-11422...W-374-ORD-2741: 293 units. unnumbered (for the Navy)
W-398-QM-da-448..................................: 16 units. 75068 to 75083
W-398-QM-13596...W-374-ORD-2799: 410 units. 718636 to 719045
W-398-QM-w-652...W-374-ORD-2864: 11.636 units. 721000 to 732635
unnumbered............W-374-ORD-6322: 7.091 units. 732636 to 739726

These are the orders and units. If we add the units, go us 30.241.
But only Dodge, delivered 26.002 units and 26.002 units were accepted by the army.
Therefore, 4.239 units were not made.

Also, we know that the units produced per year were:
1942: 9.899
1943: 13.156
1944: 2.947......Total 26.002 units.

So far, so good, O.K.?.

Now we have a problem. These 4.239 units, what the order we subtract?. In the first orders?, I think not. In the last orders?, I think YES.

If we admit the latter assumption (last orders), we have three solutions:
1.- Subtract the last order.
2.- Subtract the penultimate order.
3.- Subtract from both.

I am for the first option, because the registration numbers are consecutive, but I admit not a very strong reason.

So if we take the first option, the last order would be:
W-374-ORD-6322 (7.091 - 4.239) 2.852 units. 732636 to 735487

Now, we take the number of body: 24.496,

26002 - 24496 = 1506
735487 - 1506 = 733981.

Registration number: 733981

So, Divin is right.

The basis of this study is the belief that numbers are correlative body and start with nº 0001.

The bad part is that I do not agree, but right now I can not prove.

So I give the reason to Divin.

In the future the paint, can be changed.

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Juan, no worries on your English, as the lurking Headmaster Vista will most certainly assume the task of spell and syntax corrections for you as well... :roll: :roll: :roll: My advice to you is don't stare at the numbers too long... :shock:
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I've been racking my brain about something I saw a while back while looking through the build cards on record for the year 1945:


June 1 1945 81777902
19026 units built (In 151 days)
Feb 21 1945 81758876
1595 units built (In 8 days)
Feb 13 1945 81757281
15833 units built (In 1 day)
FEB 12 1945 81741448
209 units built (In 7 days)
FEB 5 1945 81741239

Totalt units built between Feb 5-June 1= 36663

My Dodge WC51 was built on February 12 1945 (81741448) and the day after, February 13 1945, Dodge WC51 with frame number 81757281 was built. So, they made 15.833 [!] Dodge WC's in 24 hours (One every 10 (ten) seconds...), according to my calculations. That's almost as many as were made in the 151 day period between February 21 and June 1....

Was my Dodge built at an earlier date and received it's frame number later, or what the heck happened?

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Date Built is not the day it was manufactured, is the day which was supported by the army.

Look at the Motor number and the Body number.

81741448...12.Feb.1945: Motor Nº: 227920...Body Nº: 173042. WC-51

81757281...13.Feb.1945: Motor Nº: 228398...Body Nº: 173306. WC-51

Motor Nº: 227920 - 228398 = 479 units. TOTAL

Body Nº: 173042 - 173306 = 265 units. WC-51

479 -265 = 214 WC-52

Between Monday and Tuesday, 12 and 13 February 1945, Dodge delivered the army, at least:
WC-51: 265 units & WC-52: 214 units. MINIMUM.

O.K.?

But, but...Why the difference between the chassis numbers?. I do not know.

For that and other reasons it is important to have more B.C.

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So my Dodge, 81741448, could well have been built at an earlier date?

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Yes. Everything depends on the needs of the army had.

But in your case, did not stay long in stock. Possibly one month maximum.

In early 1945 I do not know how many units produced per day Dodge, We imagine that 250 per day.

The difference between the chassis numbers 81741448 & 81757281 ( 12 & 13 Feb.) it is 15.834 units.

This means that many, many cars and many, many days of work (60?) in stock.

Here something strange happened.

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Juan is right. Don't confuse the Build Card date, - the date it was built, with the Date of Delivery.

The Date of Delivery is the date it was accepted by Quartermaster or Ordnance inspectors, and could vary from the same date as the Build Card to a month later, if, for example, the inspector found something wrong with the vehicle, ( or the batch ) and put them all through a rework cycle.
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Tony B wrote:Ay mate! Just 'cause some of us with 'inglish as oor fust langauge have problems now neeed to git funny a'bart it! :D

One way or another we all speack Dodge so information gets through (Now we just need to train our American cousins to spell Colour and Tyre properly), the front bit is the BONNET not the Hood , that's some thing that goes over your head, and when it comes to the cultural diffrence between bum bags and fanny bags, that is a whole new nightmare. In UK English slang a ciggarete is known as a fag. Try walking into a room of American girls and announcing you want a fag? Culture who'd have it. :thumbdown:
Actually Katy has always had the hood number 71200 , that was the remains found when Carol first restored her, so not that far out.

Hate to tell you this, but the bonnet number found by Carol is missing a digit....furthermore, there is no way that that low a registration number would have been assigned to a 44 ambulance....so the bonnet must have been
replaced/switched at some point...here again are your options:

732337 (under range)
733981 (within range) courtesy of juan
734496 (within range)
or the first number I SWAGGED based on emperical data...733679 (within range too)

P.S. Note for Profwanker Vista...first usage of empricial spelled correctly :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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I know now, you know now, we all know now. But I'm not risking the spirts by changing it! :D I'm going over to Jersey on Monday to bring her back to the UK, so watch this space. The end of the week will be joy or despair. The old girl hasn't moved for at least two years.
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