Strange Engine Number

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Strange Engine Number

Post by 2ad82recon »

Hello all ! Hope you guys are all good ! A friend of mine in our WW2 AVG has just brought a May 1945 WC51 converted to a 52 chassis number 81776543 but it has a strange stamped engine .. see pic ! Can anyone ID the block please and why it’s stamped like this ! Many thanks guys .
1942 Willys MB (Script).Chassis #MB 132051."CONNIE"
1942 Dodge WC-51.Chassis #81563573
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM # B50604.(Tandem)
1944 Willys MB.Chassis #MB 302306."CAROLE"
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1944 Willys MB.................Chassis #MB 302306
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Re: Strange Engine Number

Post by 2ad82recon »

:thumbup: It's stamped on the block pad HS-L-11641! I’ve got to figure out again how to post pics lol 😂
1942 Willys MB (Script).Chassis #MB 132051."CONNIE"
1942 Dodge WC-51.Chassis #81563573
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM # B50604.(Tandem)
1944 Willys MB.Chassis #MB 302306."CAROLE"
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Re: Strange Engine Number

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I did some asking and looking around and don't think that's a Chrysler engine? got pics ?
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1944 Willys MB.................Chassis #MB 302306
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Re: Strange Engine Number

Post by 2ad82recon »

Hi mate

Yes I have but can’t figure out how to post after so long ! Any refresher courses going ?

Regards

Lloyd
1942 Willys MB (Script).Chassis #MB 132051."CONNIE"
1942 Dodge WC-51.Chassis #81563573
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM # B50604.(Tandem)
1944 Willys MB.Chassis #MB 302306."CAROLE"
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Re: Strange Engine Number

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1944 Willys MB.................Chassis #MB 302306
Location: Haverhill,Suffolk,UK

Re: Strange Engine Number

Post by 2ad82recon »

Thanks Kaegi

I’ll log in get set up and post pic again

Kind Regards

Lloyd
1942 Willys MB (Script).Chassis #MB 132051."CONNIE"
1942 Dodge WC-51.Chassis #81563573
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM # B50604.(Tandem)
1944 Willys MB.Chassis #MB 302306."CAROLE"
Are you in that garage again.? its about time you came in!
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My garage: 1942 Willys MB (Script)...Chassis # MB132051..."CONNIE"
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM #B50604.............."Tandem Conversion)
1944 Willys MB.................Chassis #MB 302306
Location: Haverhill,Suffolk,UK

Re: Strange Engine Number

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1942 Willys MB (Script).Chassis #MB 132051."CONNIE"
1942 Dodge WC-51.Chassis #81563573
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM # B50604.(Tandem)
1944 Willys MB.Chassis #MB 302306."CAROLE"
Are you in that garage again.? its about time you came in!
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My garage: 1942 Willys MB (Script)...Chassis # MB132051..."CONNIE"
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM #B50604.............."Tandem Conversion)
1944 Willys MB.................Chassis #MB 302306
Location: Haverhill,Suffolk,UK

Re: Strange Engine Number

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Kaegi here is the body tag too

Regards

Lloyd
1942 Willys MB (Script).Chassis #MB 132051."CONNIE"
1942 Dodge WC-51.Chassis #81563573
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM # B50604.(Tandem)
1944 Willys MB.Chassis #MB 302306."CAROLE"
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1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM #B50604.............."Tandem Conversion)
1944 Willys MB.................Chassis #MB 302306
Location: Haverhill,Suffolk,UK

Re: Strange Engine Number

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And re stamped chassis number
1942 Willys MB (Script).Chassis #MB 132051."CONNIE"
1942 Dodge WC-51.Chassis #81563573
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM # B50604.(Tandem)
1944 Willys MB.Chassis #MB 302306."CAROLE"
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Re: Strange Engine Number

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interesting. never seen a stamping like that. could you sand it down a bit and see if there is more before what the pic shows? and maybe pic of the block casting number?
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Re: Strange Engine Number

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From Eric Bannerman

I'd need to see the lower casting numbers to identify it for sure, but I think that's a 1951 replacement engine based on the M37. The stamp is U.S-6-11671

That frame number is definitely one that was added later. Sometimes that's the original number just stamped a second time, but often it is just a random number added to a frame. I've even seen T110 D60 serial numbers on WC-52s in Europe. They just added whatever random military serial numbers they had to a frame.

The body tag is from February 1945.

The frame number is May 1945 which makes it unlikely that the body and frame numbers started life together.
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Re: Strange Engine Number

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He's asking for this
Ask for the lower casting numbers below the distributor and below the starter and tell them just in case to clean the frame to bare metal above and around that stamped number. Maybe there is something of the original number left?
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Re: Strange Engine Number

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Hi Eric I’ve asked James the new owner to get me all pics of casting numbers etc and chassis numbers when he picks up the new 52 to him on Saturday

Kind Regards

Lloyd
1942 Willys MB (Script).Chassis #MB 132051."CONNIE"
1942 Dodge WC-51.Chassis #81563573
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM # B50604.(Tandem)
1944 Willys MB.Chassis #MB 302306."CAROLE"
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Re: Strange Engine Number

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Lloyd I am not Eric but asked him for the information as he is the guru on dodge civilian numbers
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1944 Willys MB.................Chassis #MB 302306
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Re: Strange Engine Number

Post by 2ad82recon »

Ah ! Sorry sir I do apologise, I have now reread your post thoroughly! And see where the confusion occurred!
I am wondering now how my friend James WC52 that late a production ended up in the ETO after wars end and now looking at the pictures I think this may originally have been a 51 with added winch … hence the stamped chassis number different font .

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Lloyd
1942 Willys MB (Script).Chassis #MB 132051."CONNIE"
1942 Dodge WC-51.Chassis #81563573
1943 Bantam T-3 Trailer..ACM # B50604.(Tandem)
1944 Willys MB.Chassis #MB 302306."CAROLE"
Are you in that garage again.? its about time you came in!