Old WC's never die - they just move on! :-)

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motto wrote:What was it you had stolen Joakim? If you post a list it's possible that somebody knows something that may lead to recovery. You never know your luck.

David
Hi David,

I don't think that this stuff is showing up again. I will have a look for it next year when I'm back at Mons... But the chance to get that basterd is close to zero.

From our tent is missing;
a combat belt with medic kit, colt holster in maroon leather colour and 30M1 magazine pouch and leather signal corps pouch, a shovel with carrier for the combat belt and a M3 Repro bajonett with M8A1. + A dirty M1943 trouser in size 36R (how stupid is that???).

The Jeep crew next to us (Germans too) are missing a camouflage-net and deco-ammo from their sandsack-wall that they had for decoration on their tent site.

It seems that all items diappeared on Sunday during the convoy driving when no one of us was at the Camp. :evil:

Due to Sylvia it must have happend in other years at Tanks in Town too, that stuff had been stolen.
I'm actually a bit "pissed" that the organizers did not warn the participants, if they knew about the problem. :thumbdown:

Greetings from old Germany,

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Hello Folk's,

So I was with my SUV at the Schmidtenhoehe MV on Sat. only and had a pretty good day between the rainshowers. :mrgreen:

I met some of my "steel-buddies" and bought an BC-603 reciever for my Dodge in "nice" condition for 50,- Euros only and I could choose between 3 in a pile - a real bargain! :thumbup:
So now I have to find the frame to fit it to my Dodge (and they are quite rare)...

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Yesterday I was at the "end of the season" Sunday's US-Car meeting at the Harley Factory and had some beer's.
- So it was veeeery relaxed weekend. :D

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If interested in you can find some photo's from the Schmidtenhoehe Event here (79 photo's):

http://www.steel-toys.com/SH15

Notice: click as usual on "next image" on top to open every next photo.

Keep 'em Rolling,

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Hello Folk's

actually we have some sunny day's and it feels like summer again. :D
So I decided to strip down my spare hood to get rid of the corrosion "nests" that occured after more than 70 years.

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Hopefully I can start to coat the first parts of it with primer tomorrow.

In addition I started to work on the old cargo strap I bought lately and used a lot of WD40 to get the hooks back to function.
Lucky me: both work again and the springs inside are both okay. :thumbup:

Then I "upgraded" my bay in the Garage with additional light and added some soap dishes in our toilet for soap and HD hand washing detergent. Not a big thing - but stuff that my colleagues in the Garage don't care about and that make living a bit easier (and hand's cleaner). :lol:

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Hello Folk's,

I could yesterday nearly finish the hook's for the cargo strap. So now is only the OD paint missing and then I can replace the "wrong" hook's that my second cargo strap has.

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Hello Folk's,

over here a week with classic indian summer weather ended two day's ago and actually it's still raining cat's and dogs and temperatures dropped to lousy 15° C something. *brrrrrrr*

The MV specialist Garage has been yesterday at the TÜV (vehicle inspection authority) with my Dodge to "legalize" the towing hook that was not stated in the registration documents (thank's to the previous owner).
So I can - hopefully - pick up the Dodge on next Sat. again (after having beeing parked for 3 weeks in the open on the Garage yard *grrrrrr*).

My colleague Ecki is helping me with the shuttle service and Andi (a nice M151 owner from next town) want's to join me on the way home.
That's a 200 km / 4 - 5 h. ride - because I decided to drive on country-roads instead of the Autobahn A3 to minimize the risks. That motorway would be the shorter opportunity but it is passing a lot of steep hills and has a lot of heavy trucking traffic as a main Nort-South going mototorway thru Germany. So it's far from beeing "the perfect solution" for a Dodge.

So I want to drive instead the easy and relaxed way back home and choosed the route on the river Rhein banks - the famous classic tourist route thru the legendary river Rhein valley. So we will pass the village St. Goar, the legendary Loreley-Cliff, Eltville and Rüdesheim. A daytrip that I can recommend every tourist in Germany to do. For example by boat from the City of Wiesbaden or Mainz. :-)

- So hopefully it will not rain on Saturday and some 20° C "plus" would make it more relaxed to bring the Dodge back home...

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Joakim,

When I was in command at Wiesbaden I took the Battalion officers on an professional development to several sites where the US Army crossed the Rhein river. One of those places was St. Goar. The crossing there was opposed and the US troops came under heavy fire as they crossed with over 180 KIAs during the crossing, many never recovered. Once across house to house fighting ensued. Good battlefield walk, we went to Oppenheim (where Patton crossed), Remagen and Wessel (Operation Varsity) as well.
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I stayed in St. Goar on a school holiday back in the 1970's.........It's a beautiful area!
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G. Miskovsky wrote:Joakim,

When I was in command at Wiesbaden I took the Battalion officers on an professional development to several sites where the US Army crossed the Rhein river. One of those places was St. Goar. The crossing there was opposed and the US troops came under heavy fire as they crossed with over 180 KIAs during the crossing, many never recovered. Once across house to house fighting ensued. Good battlefield walk, we went to Oppenheim (where Patton crossed), Remagen and Wessel (Operation Varsity) as well.
Hi Gus,
interesting to read. - Have you been at Nierstein too? That's quite close to Wiesbaden and the place of the famous photo with Patton standing on the ponton-bridge, while pissing in the Rhine on March 24, 1945. This Rhine crossing was at the place that today is used by the "Wasserschutzpolizei" (River Patrol).

Here is the link to a rare large colour version of this photo: http://lists.opn.org/pipermail/vwar_lis ... t-0001.jpg


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Close to the site of the Rhine crossing at Nierstein at Dexheim you can find the former Anderson Barrack's, home of the 123rd Main Support Battalion up to 2009, when the installation was closed and the unit - nicknamed in WW2 the "Mighty Main" - inactivated.

The full story (German only) of "the silent crossing" at Nierstein can be found here (homepage of the historical association Nierstein):
http://www.geschichtsverein-nierstein.d ... tcross.htm

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Joakim,

We spent the day at Neirstein, and did an Officer Professional Development (OPD). The owner of Gundam ? vineyard hosted us and afterward we toured the winery. He had pictures of US tanks parked in his bays, as the Third Army used the building as a UMCP to fix damaged tanks. He claimed that Patton had used his house as a HQ but I have never found anything that supports that. The crossing there was un-opposed and basically rolled up a Volksturm unit on the far side, no real fight until the lead elements ran into a cadet school as they maneuvered on Darmstadt (I had three of my companys there and one at Wiesbaden).
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Hi Gus,

that's a cool hint. I did nor know that they had a Motor Pool there. I have to find that Vineyard. It might be a nice stop-over point for a MV tour in the future. :thumbup:
Is the name Louis Guntrum? Then it is this one, right?
Link: http://www.guntrum.de/english/home/welcome/

Otherwise good and bad news from over here:

The thing with the towing hook registration went bananas. :thumbdown:
I picked up the Dodge and got then first the info that it was impossible to get the towing hook registred because of the lack of documents on it. GREAT! :twisted:
So I was "slightly pissed" and had then to drive 220 km back home "for nothing". :roll:
The only positive thing: I have been at the Remagen bridge, nice photo's with the Dodge and had then an impressive 5 h. tour up the River Rhein valley. :thumbup:

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Here is the link to see all photo's of the 220 km Rhine valley trip:

http://www.steel-toys.com/RB15b/

The good thing that happened yesterday:
I bought a 3-axle trailer, used (with some work) for Euro 2K, about 120 km from Frankfurt.
Cool thing for the Dodge: Platform with 6 x 2,50 m. and 3,5 t max. weight / 2,8 t payload. :thumbup:
Normally you get such trailers not under 4K - and then they are only 4,50 x 2 m.
So the logistic's question is solved for the future (as Bastogne or Normandy).

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Have a relaxed Sunday,

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Joakim,

Yes it was Luis Guntrum, really nice guy. He plied us with quite a bit of wine. The initial crossing was in power boats from an inlet very near the winery. After that they built a Bailey bridge, if you stand on the banks of the river at Guntrum's place you can see where the crossing site near and far are. One of the reasons that Patton picked the site, is it is reported Julius Caesar in his book The Gallic Wars, crossed at the same place.

I see you were on the opposite bank as the museum, that is the rail tunnel side. Nice museum but one section was dedicated to the POW camp that was located in Remagen. It claimed that thousands of Wehrmacht soldiers were systematically starved and left to the elements. When we coordinated with the city and museum leadership they required us to visit that portion on the museum...a little strange as none of us had ever (even us history majors) had ever read anything about the "American death camps" .

I may be over at some time in the coming months, as I have 4 detachments in Germany under my command.
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Oh yeah if you look at the picture of the winery the white house on the left of the picture is where Luis G. claims Patton stayed and had a HQ there. No doubt US officers took over the house but all the historical evidence that I was able to find stated that Patton did not stay the night once he beat Monty across the Rhine. The bridgehead came under sustained air attack for several days as the Luftwaffe tried to destroy the bridge.
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G. Miskovsky wrote:Joakim,
...One of the reasons that Patton picked the site, is it is reported Julius Caesar in his book The Gallic Wars, crossed at the same place.

I see you were on the opposite bank as the museum, that is the rail tunnel side. Nice museum but one section was dedicated to the POW camp that was located in Remagen. It claimed that thousands of Wehrmacht soldiers were systematically starved and left to the elements. When we coordinated with the city and museum leadership they required us to visit that portion on the museum...a little strange as none of us had ever (even us history majors) had ever read anything about the "American death camps" .

I may be over at some time in the coming months, as I have 4 detachments in Germany under my command.
Hi Gus,

the thing with Julius Caesar sounds like a real "Patton classic". :D
In fact there was a Roman bridge at Mainz and the archaeologists found parts of it under water.
I guess you have been at Mainz in the Museum with the Roman military river patrol boats?
If not: it's a "must" to see it. They have the original wreck's and an exact replica. Very impressive. :thumbup:

The thing with the so called "Hungerlager" at the river banks is - sad to say so - true: there have been several (about 19) along the river Rhine. Some under American, some under French command as far as I remember.
Historians are still today discussing if the lack of supply for the POW was because of real logistic problems or - to put it negative - because of sheer ignorance. But I don't have the facts to decide about that.
But I can say this: many POW have been killed at the "Rheinwiesen" Camps because they had no shelter at all and have been kept in prison on open fields without anything at all. So the poor guy's started to dig foxholes or small tunnels to get some shelter and many of those foxholes collapsed when heavy rain started - killing the POW in them. That's what my former priest told me once, because he ended up in one of those camps.

My communities old protestant Priest has been pressed to service in a Flak battery with all others from his class at the Kaiser-Friedrich-Gymnasium in 1944. The heavy battery was located at Eschersheim, in the North of Frankfurt on an open field and the 8.8 cm AA gun next to his one got a direct hit of a bomb during an air raid, killing the whole gun crew, about 8 or 9 kids overall. All of them teenagers, at about 16-17 years of age.
In the end of March 1945 Frankfurt was liberated by US troops and he was sent to one of those Rheinwiesen Camps nearby Bad Kreuznach. He told us kids about all that during a summer camp of the church when I was about 14 years old. He told us that there was a hedge on one side of the POW camp - and that there was not a single leaf left on it after some days because of the lack of food supply.
- After the war and his return from that nightmare he became a priest. I would say because of the impact of what he had seen...
He was for more than 48 years a close friend of my parents and, sad to say so, passed away this May after a long sickness.

Details on those camps at wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheinwiesenlager

But coming back to more positive thing's:
if you return to Germany you have to say hello for a beer or two at our Garage! :thumbup:
Incl. a tour in my Dodge! :mrgreen:

Keep 'em Rolling,

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Hello Folk's,

so my Dodge is back in my Garage and it's time to prepare it for the upcoming USMVC Event.
So I added today the refurbished hook's to the cargo straps at first to get them from my working bench. :D

In addition I cleaned up the carburottor "inside out" and replaced some parts of it, because I had to learn today that the original fuel filter was empty inside. - Someone had taken out the filter-material so that all dirt from the fuel tank was going directly in to the electric fuel pump and the carburettor. :roll:

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So I have to buy a std. add on fuel filter tomorrow at first and then to make a test on the Autobahn with the Dodge.
- Let's see if there is a better performance...

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Hello Folk's,

after spending half of the day with research on the www it seems that I have found a solution for my pintle hook problem...

The original one is a WW2 design and non-automatic and as such not "street-legal" for towing purposes in Germany (only accepted for moving trailers on the yard). It has no so called "Typ-Prüfzeichen" (confirmation no. of beeing officially approved in Germany) or the chance to get that approval. :roll:

But: It's allways good to come up with a "Plan B"!
In this case it is a British made pintle hook by Dixon-Bate that is in use since 50 years with British MV and a NATO std. part, available in different towing capacity classes. It looks slightly different, esp. the design of the base-plate and it is not fixed = the pintle hook can be turned to the left or right for better/safe towing off-road. On the street it can be fixed with a bolt. And it is automatic = safer.
And the very best: it has a bloody "e" approval no. :thumbup:
So it has to be registred by the inspection authority. :lol:

The only remaining question is now the max. towing weight that has to be stated in the vehicle documents.
There a formula that is based on the max. weight of the vehicle and the so called "D" figure of the towing hook. This is for the Dixon Bate D=17. = Theoretically is the max. towing weight 3,432 kg for my Dodge with an trailer with brake-system.

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In reality I would guess that the inspection authority (TÜV) is only stating 750 kg for trailers without brake-system and 1.5 ton for trailers with brake-system in the vehicle documents. But that's good enough for a Ben Hur trailer or an Field-Kitchen (or an 25 Pounder Gun).

QUESTION: Does anyone here at the Forum have a TM that is stating figures on the max. towing weight of a WC51/52???

So I have now to send all those informations to an engineer of the inspection authorities HQ to get the feedback on my plan.
If he is saying "O.K." I can buy the pintle hook and exchange it and then make a fixed date with the engineer at the inspection center to get the towing hook "legalized".

...And yes folk's: it's typical for Germany and driving most car nut's as me crazy. :twisted:
But the income of a whole inspection industry is based on our money...

To be continued,

Joakim
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